*** Hook (bwh@azathoth.idsoftware.com) has joined #quake2 NO. THEY ARENT GAMMA CORRECTED I JUST GAMMA CORRECTED THEM - THEY LOOK INCREDIBLE sounds cool though " windows 2000 " ooo...Simcity 3000! heh heh ..at least hes giving out IE 4.0 yeah ie4 is cool HOOK: These pictures are giving me wood netscape is better Ritalin: That's good. I guess. windows 2000 is also coming with IE25 netscape 3 sucks yeah...i still like Netscape Ritalin: Trust me, if you saw it running, you'd spooge instantly. netscape 4 tho kicks ass netscape 4 is ok HOOK: Prove it. netscape 4 is ok i have netscape 4.0 beta 5 primo: netscape 4? HOOK: only way to find out is to send me a copy now Ritalin: Ha, nic etry. Ya hook :) prove it netscape communicator netscape is better for java enhanced pages Sweet. ARKAN : go look perhaps MdL - you look at it? Ritalin- great pic. Wait until you guys see the screen shots we're putting up next week with the new weapon effects. i ahve netscape communicator profesional still netscape now steals from MS i like the integrated desktop ideas in IE 4.0 it kicks ass HOOK: can you do us a favor and please gamma correct screenshots so we can view em? Hook, go take a Screan shot, and prove it Hi hook! Whoops, I guess hopped on the wrong channel, this looks like the browser channel.... * Q_Wolf ponders the level of lameness.... Quick survey to all: what is the biggest file you'd ever download? ok back to subject quake Ritalin: Unfortunately, if we gamma correct them over here they'll look really bad on other people's systems. Anyone play quake? Come to quake.azstarnet.com bye 25 MB And Disruptor isn't here, and he does all that stuff. 20 megs 0.00000001bytes HOOK: here is a question.... you know how wtih GLQuake2 you will have orange glowing lite coming off of lava? cool!!!! no don't wanna play quake. me wanna talk to hook about quake 2 :-) they are dope Wow. Well, I may release my Quake addon as freeware... HOOK:, take an exclusive screanshot, just for the people on this channel, pleese Ritalin: There is no GLQuake2. Just Quake2 with a GL rendering subsystem. It may be about 18 megs or more... hook:any idea how big quake2 will be? Ritalin: Yes, what about the orange glowing light? [SandStorm] mask HOOK: what if i dont have GL? is it gonna make walls glow with white lite? shahar: Shyeah, right. wortha try Um...I'd just get a 3DFX, Quake 2 will suck without it... Ritalin: I'm not sure. I think they'll probably be white light though. Hold on and I'll check. BRB. hook:how many monsters will there be in quake2? MDLMan: Not really, the software renderer is still pretty fast. Hook, here's what you do scan a pic of your ass...and gives these folks the exclusive sceenshot they really want... what's the 3DFX, with the most value,? Price/preformance? Well, trust me...GLQuake was way better than Quake, and will do the same in Q2. jizzy, ID said to do nothing satanic... The only 3dfx worth shit is the MONSTER 3DDDDDDDD how much $ dammit x wont op me ? you can get the moster for 159 op MultiSync 189 when will the "next-generation 3dfx" boards start coming? mrkotter- good price MDLMan: crap, i got 125, right now check out www.pricewatch.vom in about # of months... :) check out www.pricewatch.com how do i get X to op me i got authenticated hook:how do you feel about the verite based cards????? Well, I'm not going to kill myself over 60 bucks... Sandstorm: /msg X op anyone do any opengl programing? They suck compared to GL... (i was asking hook) i've heart the verite cards really suck, (i was asking hook) Well, I was just responding... :) hook:well? MDL; do yuo know what you are talking about? primo, yah, we all were Hook: How will the dm work compared to Quake? Looks like white light to me. MDL: Verite should support 3d ..... but GL Quake doesnt They don't suck. But 3DFX is so much better ,I think. MDL: Verite should support GL ..... but GL Quake doesnt support Verite there ACK! that's what i mean that will look really bad though 3d what? ok gl looks better Oh, I know. Hook, i heard that Q2 wont have modem/modem support, is this true? anyone know of any GL maps Ritalin- that's probably because GL isbetter than Verite. It supports the same extensions as verite. primo: Personally, the older Verite cards were okay, but not great. The V2200 sounds like they might be real nice, but we haven't seen one yet, so can't comment. I have BSPed some maps using the new QBSP with transparent water... lagged, use win95, to win95 conection, then use network support it rocks. Redd: DM should be pretty damn cool. yeah, i heart that, too. Because Quake2 will be win32 there won't be modemsupport Hook:thank you for the answer :-) r_novis slows things down alot Lagged: there currently are no plans for modem-modem support. r_novis tells frame rate milliseconds. Hook: the Best weapons I've ever seen were, the ones in Turok, how do the Q2 weapons compare? is there a difference in the new maps with r_novis 1 btw, the matrox millenium, that card has no voodoo 3DFX, right? But isn't using a modem and a nic card the same under 95? ;) MDLMan: GL is a rendering API. Verite is a hardware accelerator. Verite could support GL if Rendition wanted to. Nope. As a matter of fact, some of Rendition's partners have OpenGL drivers already. r_novis 1 turns on transparent water Well, sort of. See, GLQuake doesn't require an OPengl card, just a 3dfx accelerator. q2's weapons rotate like turoks do (uniqueness, originality, and kickass factor) HOOK: does being able to have quake2 when we dont make you feel special? Ok Hook:how many monsters will there be in quake2? Who made that #Quake2 page?!?!?!?! shahar: Don't know, never played Turok. Oh. Forgot. If you bsp your maps with transparent water you dont need r_novis. oh turok? a n64 game right? cool you gottan the most asome explosions ive ever fukin seen, HUGE man...you could make a webpage with all the QandA's that we are getting in here... HOOK: is Id programing Quake for the Nintendo 64? or who is if you guys arent.... primo: yah, i rented it a while ago Ritalin: I feel more special for riding around John's Ferrari F40. :-) anyone here at e3 now anyone in here has QLQuake working? ferrari :-) yeah... GLquake works ok I have a problem with glquakeworld any opinions on the AMD K6? does it blow? MDLMan: GLQuake runs on anything with a proper OpenGL accelerator, including Intergraph and PowerVR (the latter not very well). is it really so cool like they say? Hook, what about the possibility of SOCKS support to circumvent firewalls, or make quake2 more "firewall friendly"? Lagged: I got 5 megs of space i dont know what to do with (i cant do HTML) primo: I don't know the exact number of monsters yet. i heart then in the newsgroups: ooooh, GLQuake is like heaven on earth... Anyone have any probs with glquakeworld? I know. I'msaying, the opengl32.dll ver for Quake doesn't require that you have, say, a realizm. Ritalin: Quake64 is being done by Williams. Hook: How will the slope-effect be, the same as Quake where you slowly slide down, or what? Hook, any improved multiplayer stuff planned for Q2? HOOK: by whom? qlquakeworld locks up when checking models oh hi hook! Hook- suggestion, add support for 16-bit color textures. :) Q_Wolf: I'll ask about the firewall friendliness. Tritian: whaa.. a little slow there? thank you.. hehehe MDLman, thats the standard i was on da phone saw that on quake2news Hook,that pix of that airplane monster looks cool (it was a flying monster right?) arkan? oh, ISDN?? Redd: Yes, the slope effect seems to be the same. Well, I'm just mad that Quake had that crapo 256 color palette. Wahoo: I'm not sure what's changed for DM. haya hook Hook: 16 bit textures is important because 256 textures will just be interpolated in 16 bit for glquake not making a big difference Hi Hook hook: do you really work on Quake2? or sit here and IRC with us all day primo: looked like a gib nice to see you again MDLMan: We're looking into the texture issue, but I think we're still going to use 8-bit for Quake2. could be shabar Hook- go ahead, but you won't get my respect. :( but you can't realy say on that pix we are talking about Quake2, but IMHO HeXen II looks very cool, too How many people still have 256-maximum color anymore? Ritalin_B: what does it look like!! anyone logging this ? hook: could you compile 16 bit textures and then have them knocked down to 8 bit for standard quake Hey mrkotter COMPILE THIS! of coarse he just sits and talks I believe quake 1 had a limited pallete :-) hook: quake2 will auto-detect GL? * Tritian is away ‡ updating my page ‡ /msg are logged † P1mP EyE-aRe-SeE v1.666a ЯҐ Tritian mrkotter: The 8-bit textures look pretty good on Quake2, but at some point we'd like to switch to full 16/24/32-bit textures, but that probably won't happen until Trinity. Remember, we have to support software rendering efficiently, and we don't want to do a full 16-bit software renderer. Doom had a better color selection I think Ritalin: I've been known to write a line of code every now and then. trinity!!!!! doom? what's doom? :) Well, I'm really glad Carmack agknowledged my idea for 22khz sound support. At least you guys are doing SOMETHING right. :) hehe hook, seen trinity running? * Trit|wewp fwaps EraserX Hook : is it running? thanx quake2 not even out yet and allready asking about the next thing mrkotter: That's possible, but we'd really sacrifice the quality of the 8-bit rendering modes. Color quantization is tough to do well. Ritalin: Yes, Quake2 will autodetect OpenGL. hook: a new bsp format could have two texture stores (8 bit and 16 bit) or is that not possible hello all! Hook- how about you hold off Q2 until May or so to add that support? I am making a Quake addon now anyway... :) Shahar: Trinity is not running yet. We're concentrating on Quake2. MRKOTTER: I dont know if you desing levels man, something funnky is going on with MIrc for em man, something funnky is going on with MIrc for me MRKOTTER: but having two texture stores would fucking SUCK i hope that quake2 will be a better single player happening then quake1 was How is the QUakeC to native C going? K6 : Get PIRCH End LEVEL BOSSES :) mrkotter: I think that would be possible, but the artists would hate us. 16-bit textures are NOT a priority for Quake2. That would needlessly cause our ship date to slip. Ritalin_b: lotta work huh? in a medieval setting using shotguns :-( Yes he is. * K6 says hey it's hook! MRKOTTER : yeah............ hook: how does Q2 engine compare w/ Prey, unreal, and the other compatition? Hook- that doesn't bother me. :) hook: gotcha Marlboro2: The QC->C conversion is going well, Cash is kicking ass. * Ritalin_B looks at the new topic and laffs.... ksdafjsd Hook- Will Q2 support the same BSP format as Quake? shahar: Our engine spanks all others. :-) cool mmhh....it the topic for real???? prey source code leaked??? sadf mmhh... aaasdfasdffffffffff where are the new screen shots at? cull are you handling any of the conversion? MDLMan: I don't know if backwards compatibility with Quake1 is going to be in there. HOOK: physically or figuratively speakinjg?? ive been w/ ID sins wof 3d Ok. I don't see it needed, but it sounds like a good idea. wolf 3d, iv been a fan Hook: do you get paid more if a game is a real succes? :) what are the chances of me getting a job at id? Even if it is a Janitorial job :) Marlboro2: What conversion? * USteppin will BE BACK LATER Did Prey Source code really leak? EraserX: At id everyone makes more money if a game is more successful. Duh. HEY MARLBORO THAT WAS MY JOKE whats this prey source code crap? heh In blues it says that you guys are converting QuakeC to native C KUBA: its a joke hook, don't you ever get tired of answering all of those questions? i'm kina split between ID and Ion now, cus of John Kuba: yeah, look at the topic oh Well, I think Q2 is going to be excellent. The images are clean, the architecture so mysterious... Marlboro2: We have a janitor, his name is Disruptor. :-) bahaha GUYS THINK ABOUT It ...... .... 3drealms DITCHED prey to use Quake engine ahhh :) Marlboro2: We are converting QC->C, but that is Cash's domain, not mine. HOOK: what kinda vehicle you drive? :(( hook, then i guess you guys got paid a lot since doom and quake i asked tokay if i could mop the floor, will you let me hook? hehe kewl Hook- I have looked over every possibility for Quake rotation using solid BSPs. Is it really impossible?... Eraser: He just joined ID primo: Naw, id wouldn't be here today without fans, so I'm doing my bit to show the fans some respect. whoops MDLMan: maybe if you hacked into the source You would need to edit the Quake.exe file to do that correctly hehe Ritalin: I have an Acura TL and a Porsche 928S4. well glad you here hook shahar, you wouldn't understand. :) :-) hook: hehehe...its a good life isnt it? i woulddn't indeed, i cant program hehe Eraser: Well, I didn't get shit for Doom or Quake, since I just showed up two weeks ago. :-) rolling in the $$ there Hook? MDLMan: Rotation is a bitch. hook: what would i need to do to get a job at Id? well, GooD luck jusst thinking of how programs work I got visual c++ learning addition :) I've gotten so far to say "Hello World!"; :) Ritalin: Yes, life is good. :-) then, r u that 3Dprogrammer or is that somebody else? Hook- could you ask one of the original id guys if Doom had more colors than Quake? I think it did... hook: is trinity going to be rpg based? i was offline for a month (exams) K6: Rolling? No, not by a longshot. Doom had more of a selection * Ritalin_B needs a high paying job........... anyone here like playing quakeworld? Ritalin: You'd need to not suck. Ritalin: If you're in it for the money, you're in it for the wrong reason. hook: do i suck? Hook: well more than a teacher or something like that EraserX: carmak's the programmer (right hook? ) BE BACK LATER !!! I'm in to better my life and knowledge of programing hook: hell.....id program for the rest of my life as long as it paid enuf to support me...... the money doesn't hurt :) Hook- great way of wording. I think I'm gonna release my addon for free instead of sellig it. :) EraserX: I'm a 3D programmer, but the DOOM and Quake stuff was all John Carmack's. Hook: So what you are saying is that you don't work for the money at ALL? I'd work for id for free! :) h00k: when did you start working at id? Shahar: Me, Carmack, and Cash are all programmer. John Carmack is the lead progrmamer though. Hook: Could you teach classes in Dallas for a little money on the side? ic hook:doom2 had 2 secret levels with the wolf3d monsters. will quake2 contain a secret level with some of the monsters of doom2? hook: what exactly are you doing for quake2 rite nowe? Hook: that's what i meant hehe /me says "in the future we better our selfs, we are not driven by money or greed I LOVE EDITING QUAKE. It's the best thing in life. :) heh, id work there for no money, just the satisfaction of creating something so cool heheh * K6 says "in the future we better our selfs, we are not driven by money or greed Redd: No, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't work ANY job JUST for the money. I.E $100 per class each student :) well, i recently read something about a new guy at ID , i didnt know it was (is) you I wouldn't mind paying that Redd: I quit 3Dfx even though I was making good money and I also walked away from a lot of stock options. Hook: Of course,, hook: would it be worth running through a bsp and breaking up polys into triangles to take advantage of hardware accelration or would the additional polys outway the increase in performance???? Hook- how are you making the videos for Quake 2? sorry, i must sound like a real kiss ass, but i'd like to be taken seriously once in a while BUT, if given the choice between several identical jobs, and one pays more, well, duh, I won't exactly turn away money. :-) Hook: so you didn't keep any stock in 3Dfx? Ritalin: Right now, for Quake2 I'm doing IRC. :-) hook: i did NOT mean to come off as that type of person Hook: I got your point damn I'm lagged what videos foe quake2????????? hey...does id let people 'tour' their buildings? * Ritalin_B considers smacking hook, and then backs away.... Marlboro2: Actually, I plan on lecturing at local universities, and maybe at the University of Florida if they'll let me. hook: would it be worth running through a bsp and breaking up polys into triangles to take advantage of hardware accelration or would the additional polys outway the increase in performance???? lecturing on what? Hook- what are the ranges of triangles for the MDLs in Q2? Deathmatch? ARGH!! Come lecture at plano senior high! or Oak Park High, (middle o' nowhere) mrkotter: Most accelerators will take our polygons and fan or strip them. On top of that, we break things down into trifans and tristrips as much as possible anyway. Hook: do you know who Doug Barnes is? Romero hired him or something, he goes to my school MDLMan: Don't know about the videos, you'd have to talk to Paul Steed about that. hook: cool Hook: q2 gonna have video clips? K6: I have a little bit of stock, but not enough to retire on. Actually, just about enough to buy dinner and a movie. :-) Hook- I think MDLs should have around 1500 tris and 25 fps, but just an opinion. :) hehe haha does Id sell stock? Lagged: In general we don't do tours, simply because it really disrupts the work flow around here substantially. Hook: In Quake, when standing in a slope, your character slides downwards. How will this be in Quake2.. ( I thought that sucked ) i think they should lock me in a box and have me tell them my ideas and then they could make a bomb ass game but would you let ONE person walk around in your buildings? or something K6: Lecturing on getting into the games industry, using OpenGL for games, etc. I think we should stop killing Hook w/questions. So only if it is a good one, ok guys? Deck it..) ahh kewl MDLMan: What do you mean by "ranges of triangles"? hook: since you guys made it to #30 when will id go public on an exchange MDL: ok heh Marlboro2: Unfortunately, I think only you would attend. :-) hook:will the sky in quake2 will be the same as in quake1? i mean (you know) the moving clouds and all of that As in, the # of triangles in an MDL, or the "range" meaning an appx. amount. Marlboro2: No idea who Doug Barnes is. :) Hook: you know any good colages to get in the industry? ok Hook- ranges, meaning, an approximate amount per monster. Quake2 needs a real rising and seting sun that would be the ultamate hook: i have this rash on my butt, what could it be? haha heh yes cool idea marlboro :-) MDLMan: the models will be about 600 polygons I believe.